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Old 05-22-2014, 07:05 AM
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Default The Education of Little Tree by Forrest Carter

My dear friend from grad school who basically lives in the Appalachian Mountains in Tennessee recommended a book called The Education of Little Tree to me. It is about the childhood and "education" of a young boy in Appalachia who was adopted by his Cherokee grandparents. Came across a passage that reminded me of many of the discussions here on the EB and interviews on IE radio. Thought I'd share:

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"Grandma said everybody has two minds. ONe of the minds has to do with the necessaries for body living. You had to use it to figure how to get shelter and eating and such like for the body. . . . But she said we had another mind that had nothing atall to do with such. She said it was spirit mind. Grandma said if you used the body-living mind to think greedy or mean; if you was always cuttin' at folks with it and figuring how to material profit off'n them . . . then you would shrink up your spirit mind to a size no bigger'n a hickor'nut. Grandma said that when your body died, the body-living mind died with it, and if that's the way you had thought all your life there you was, stuck with a hickor'nut spirit, as the spirit mind was all that lived when everything else died.
Then, Grandma said, when you was born back--as you was bound to be--then, there you was, born with a hickor'nut spirit mind that had practical no understanding of anything. Then it might shrink up to the size of a pea and could disappear, if the body-living mind took over total. In such case, you lost your spirit complete. That's how you become dead people. Grandma said you could easy spot dead people. She said dead people when they looked at a woman saw nothing but dirty; when they looked at other people they saw nothing but bad; when they looked at a tree they saw nothing but lumber and profit; never beauty. Grandma said they was dead people walking around. . . . Grandma said your spirit mind could get so big and powerful that you would eventually know all about your past body lives and would get to where you could come out with no body death atall. . . ."
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Pretty dense--a dissertation on body/mind/spirit, death, reincarnation, past life regression/recollection, and maybe a little bit of a touch on the definition of good/evil? One point, also, in the book when the Cherokee talk of "understanding" (as the above passage does about those with a tiny spirit having lost their understanding), it also concomitantly means "love." Understanding = love.

What do you think? Not a bad little meditation to start my possibly stressful workday.

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Old 05-24-2014, 09:42 AM
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how uncanny...
i loved this book. when i was having a
first awakening... i was somehow drawn to this book.
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"Grandma said everybody has two minds. ONe of the minds has to do with the necessaries for body living. You had to use it to figure how to get shelter and eating and such like for the body. . . . But she said we had another mind that had nothing atall to do with such. She said it was spirit mind. Grandma said if you used the body-living mind to think greedy or mean; if you was always cuttin' at folks with it and figuring how to material profit off'n them . . . then you would shrink up your spirit mind to a size no bigger'n a hickor'nut. Grandma said that when your body died, the body-living mind died with it, and if that's the way you had thought all your life there you was, stuck with a hickor'nut spirit, as the spirit mind was all that lived when everything else died.
Then, Grandma said, when you was born back--as you was bound to be--then, there you was, born with a hickor'nut spirit mind that had practical no understanding of anything. Then it might shrink up to the size of a pea and could disappear, if the body-living mind took over total. In such case, you lost your spirit complete. That's how you become dead people. Grandma said you could easy spot dead people. She said dead people when they looked at a woman saw nothing but dirty; when they looked at other people they saw nothing but bad; when they looked at a tree they saw nothing but lumber and profit; never beauty. Grandma said they was dead people walking around. . . . Grandma said your spirit mind could get so big and powerful that you would eventually know all about your past body lives and would get to where you could come out with no body death atall. . . ."


This paragraph is certainly food for thought. It gives hope that the "bad" guys will eventually just disappear! They seem to be very prominent in the world now.

But I think, coming from a different perspective, good and bad are merely points of view.... Ultimately, everything stems from the Source/Creator which does not make mistakes. Each creation serves a purpose, even if it is only to learn that there is another way. I think spirit is a gift that is not taken back for "poor" performance. Again, who is judging? Neither are we punished. We are redirected by the consequences of our actions.

I really believe we are all connected, one in fact. And I too have a dark side. I am spending some of my life to determine why that is and what to do with it. Do I light it up? Do I try to get rid of it? Do I ignore it? Or do I strengthen my light by learning about all energy? That is what we are, after all, energy BEings. We are at all times all things....

During a discussion last night with a few friends, your post came up. Thank you for it. I will be thinking about it. The idea of your spirit shrinking away from lack of use (and we have many examples of this principle) surely gives one pause.... maybe they are reabsorbed, like a cancerous cell. As you can probably tell, I need to give this more thought.

Again, thanks. Love, C.

P.S. I know a certain "guru" who believes that spirit must be cultivated to grow and that those who don't rigorously try to expand their spirit don't have one and do not reach the next stage of becoming--they simply are not reborn when they die. This seems harsh to me, but he is very sure he is right....
Yikes! huh?

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My dear friend from grad school who basically lives in the Appalachian Mountains in Tennessee recommended a book called The Education of Little Tree to me. It is about the childhood and "education" of a young boy in Appalachia who was adopted by his Cherokee grandparents. Came across a passage that reminded me of many of the discussions here on the EB and interviews on IE radio. Thought I'd share:

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"Grandma said everybody has two minds. ONe of the minds has to do with the necessaries for body living. You had to use it to figure how to get shelter and eating and such like for the body. . . . But she said we had another mind that had nothing atall to do with such. She said it was spirit mind. Grandma said if you used the body-living mind to think greedy or mean; if you was always cuttin' at folks with it and figuring how to material profit off'n them . . . then you would shrink up your spirit mind to a size no bigger'n a hickor'nut. Grandma said that when your body died, the body-living mind died with it, and if that's the way you had thought all your life there you was, stuck with a hickor'nut spirit, as the spirit mind was all that lived when everything else died.
Then, Grandma said, when you was born back--as you was bound to be--then, there you was, born with a hickor'nut spirit mind that had practical no understanding of anything. Then it might shrink up to the size of a pea and could disappear, if the body-living mind took over total. In such case, you lost your spirit complete. That's how you become dead people. Grandma said you could easy spot dead people. She said dead people when they looked at a woman saw nothing but dirty; when they looked at other people they saw nothing but bad; when they looked at a tree they saw nothing but lumber and profit; never beauty. Grandma said they was dead people walking around. . . . Grandma said your spirit mind could get so big and powerful that you would eventually know all about your past body lives and would get to where you could come out with no body death atall. . . ."
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Pretty dense--a dissertation on body/mind/spirit, death, reincarnation, past life regression/recollection, and maybe a little bit of a touch on the definition of good/evil? One point, also, in the book when the Cherokee talk of "understanding" (as the above passage does about those with a tiny spirit having lost their understanding), it also concomitantly means "love." Understanding = love.

What do you think? Not a bad little meditation to start my possibly stressful workday.

With Love and Understanding,
steph

i did not mean to negate your thoughts or your post,Norma Rae.
Judgement runs so rampant thru these boards these days. Even
my own. i should've elaborated;i guess it was uncanny because
i've been going back in time these past few days and it's afforded
me a view into who i was back then and who i am now along with
your post at almost the very same time blew me away.
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Thanks for your responses, Chi and Cher! Glad the post provided a hint of synchronicity and food for thought for you both. I love the image of a bunch of "dead" people walking around like "real" zombies. Buddhist and Hindu philosophies would say that these dead hickor' nut spirit people are truly caught deep down in the cycle of the kleshas and samskara. Sometimes I look around in wonder at all the folks walking around seemingly in dreamlike trance of the day-to-day ratrace. I wonder where they are on their spiritual journey. I only began to start to snap out of it about 3 years ago (although, had begun baby steps about 10 years ago). Still so much to learn and experience in this life and next lives....

By the way, I finished the book over the weekend and marked several other passages for sharing here on the EB. Here's one--this one reminded me of an interview (I don't know the year) that SM did with Chris Griscom, and she started the discussion by relating a story where she was in a horrible car accident, went out of her body, and then returned to her body without a scratch and that being able to leave her body saved her from pain and suffering in an accident that would have killed most:

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"Grandma had learnt me . . . she learnt me how the Indian bears pain. He lets his body mind go to sleep, and with his spirit mind, he moves out of his body and sees the pain--instead of feeling the pain."
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It also reminds me of some of what I've read in The Secret Life of Plants (SM also interviewed the author at some point). Plants and animals have this ability to release into the moment (even if frightening) and accept what is going on at that time, instead of fighting and struggling and trying to control the situation like most humans do, and as a consequence, they do not feel pain. The example given in the book, I think, is one of a zebra or some such animal being attacked and killed by a wild cat (lion, tiger, etc). The "victim" willingly accepts what is going on at that moment and at some point, ceases to struggle and goes into some sort of state of being--probably out of body--that separates it from the bodily trauma. Something like that.

Namaste,
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Today on the way home from the office, I listened to Brit's interview with Devra Jacobs/Michael, and they touched on the theme of how humans fight against obstacles like seemingly insurmountable walls instead of giving over to the moment and just either "turning left or right," as Devra/Michael phrased it.

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Heard the following story on NPR this past Friday. It first aired in 2012. You MUST listen! Astonishing:

http://www.npr.org/2012/04/20/15103...asa-earl-carter

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I liked the passages that you shared. I will try to locate this book and read it.
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