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Old 12-23-2013, 02:23 PM
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Hi, Freesia!

Wow, I didn’t realize it’s been so long since your post. I’m sorry for the delay. I'm okay with our delay, if you are. However, I'll try to be more prompt.

I didn’t mind your interpretation – I was quite surprised when you mentioned Huna because it was Huna that I first studied when I was starting to try to figure out how all of the ‘psychic’ stuff works.

WOW... how cool, that you are familiar with HUNA. I used to attend meetings with E. Otha Wingo. He and his wife, Ann, are old friends, though Otha has turned over, Huna Research, to his son, Vincen. Anyway, I'm glad you know this stuff, already.


I was impressed by Huna because it respected the power of the emotional self. I have found that eastern and western paths seem to be afraid of this part of humanity – or say ‘rise above’ your emotions neither point of view ever resonated with me because no only have I ‘felt’ my way through life but I have felt other people’s stuff all the time too – and I KNOW when they are lying to themselves – but you can’t tell them because they honestly don’t feel what I feel from them. It’s very weird. YES, I have also been impressed with Huna for those reasons and it just, makes sense to me, but I sure wish I could know when I am lying to myself.... lol! You are always welcome to tell me, anything you feel.

Oh, by the way, I have a theory – it sort of relates to the Jungian idea of people being dominant feelers or thinkers – you know what I mean? I think so.

Anyway that’s not really important – but see I’ve always thought that the academics of the world – the people who ‘run the show’ – are more thinkers not really in touch with their emotions exactly. Whereas the ‘common every day rustic’ (a term I take from the movie EverAFter – did you see that? Quite fascinating in terms of the ideas of ‘truth’ or ‘fairy tale’ and a great interpretation in my opinion) – the rustic, they weren’t educated out of being in touch with that emotional part of them. So they were seen as ‘lesser’.

I agree with you. Those who run things are not in touch with their deeper, inner feelings, only, their desires and they I believe they lack a connection to the feelings of others.... so they have more desire, but less compassion. It's just a lack of awareness, I think. Yes, I did see the movie, but I'll have to prompt my memory, to reconnect with it... LOL!


I think the anti-intellectualism is a sort of backlash to this attitude. That’s not good either since it’s out of balance as well. Hmmm... not sure.... I think there certainly, is a little of that, but for the most part, it may have to do with our personal tendencies. Some people are interested in the cerebral, some are more interested in the spiritual and some, just want to believe that belief is all they need, to have whatever they want.

Which sort of brings me back to Huna. I finally found a spiritual philosophy in which I recognized my experiences and understanding.

I’m not sure what you mean by Holy Spirit –in terms of it relating to Unihipili because I’m not quite sure of what that means – but I understood that the Unihipili was the part of us that could connect to our higher self most easily.

I was relating the 3 selves, of man, to spiritual concept of God and what we call, the Holy Trinity, the idea 3 persons, in one God.

On the other the higher self had a hard time getting through – the Uhane – the conscious mind. Yes, this is why all 3 selves must be in communication.

And right there I think that explains a lot of our problems today – too much ‘in your head’ stuff. (smile)

But the problem is – people are, in reaction, to heal, turning to their emotions and thinking that just feeling was all they needed. YES, or desire, or belief, is all they need. And Huna knew – that though the Unihipili – emotional self – could more easily connect to the Higher self – it also was easily misled by emotions of others and the spirit world. Yes.

I think this matches what all sorts of spiritual paths say – that the spiritual realms can be this huge temptation for people on the road to enlightenment. And here we have the source – the person opens to their emotional self – links with spirit and energy and is then misled – following that ‘magic’ as if it is the higher self/superconscious or connection to God/or God you might as well say. I'd have to agree with you.... and there is also, the problem of interpretation. We can easily, misinterpret information and energy... but I think that when all 3 selves are connected, interpretation is correct.

What you said about emotions making people do things is true. I read that there were something like 7 emotions that motivated people to act. Fear was one and I think hope or love – anyway some positive ones were there. I have been wondering about energy though so I wonder if a message is using fear – and so it puts more fear out there in the world – then how does that help over all? I'm not sure we can put more fear into the world.... energy being neither, created, nor destroyed, but I think we can move it around. I have to say, however, the final decision of acceptance, or denial, or interpretation of fear, or any other emotion, rests with the individual. I get to choose my own, emotional response, regardless of the instigator. Of course, we have concerns about our physical well being, but no one can make me happy, or sad. Ultimately, that is an internal decision.

I know that this video is on a site where the idea of the ‘elite’ is not a scary thing. My comment initially was in considering the idea and expressing it to people who are not on the suspicious observer site.

Every audience needs a different approach.

There’s something you might like to know about the internet too – basically it’s not really helping to create a world where people learn things because the search engines are geared to give back to people what they already have searched on. Remember when you posted your song about the Cowgirls and guns? I didn’t know that this was an actual event. If I had, I never would have commented the way I did. When you were angry about what I said (my assumption since you responded eventually, if I remember correctly in red letters and all caps) I really couldn’t figure out why you were so angry since my perception was that it was just a story. OH!.... LOL.... that's funny. (Red letters and all caps, huh) It's so easy to jump to conclusions (I'm referring to myself) and communication becomes so cloudy and difficult, when we allow our emotions, to interject.

I was stunned to realize it was an actual event. I thought if it was that big of a story – why hadn’t I heard about it. And the reason is – I don’t search on the things you search on so what the engines feed back to me is different from what you get. I put in cowgirls and guns and the story came up on the second or third page.

Part of that could have been because I live in a different country – but I read that people who are in the same country, same jobs, same political affiliations even can have different results based on what they have previously searched. Well, yes.... and the fact that our news media doesn't cover news, like it used to, because our Mainstream Media has become a tool of political propaganda.

Since most people don’t look past the first couple of pages of results – that means instead of opening our minds to new things, the internet is reinforcing what we already believe. Yes. It takes more research to find the truth, as there seems to be an intentional will, to hide it.

You will start to see the world more and more through your own glasses – and that means more and more isolation between groups of individuals. Instead of people finding their similarities and finding things on which to build (and what but that will eventually erode the power of any ‘elite’?) – people find their differences reinforced and that basically means we end up with a modern day version of ‘tribalism. This helps the elite... it keeps us divided and ignorant.... but this eventually, hurts them, as well.

Not so much of a coincidence that the term ‘my tribe’ is coming back into use.

Anyway, to round up – I just want to say – if this information is important for everyone – and I believe it is – it’s not the people who are already believers or already on the ‘suspicious observer’ site that need to be told – it is, truth be told, the people who have followed the democratic or liberal point of view since they have been told a story in order to promote environmental legislation. Yes.

And before it sounds like I’m saying ‘dumb liberals’ I would like to add that every single party looking for power does this – YES. This is what the founding fathers of the United States, tried to warn us about! free trade is another case in point and I know you probably promote that. So if you want to talk about why that serves the elite - I’d be happy to go there - remembering of course, the Huna wisdom that our emotions can be misled and get carried away – by spirits and just in general.
I do believe in free trade, BUT IMHO, not without honesty, fairness and moral standards.... and spiritual integrity.

Aloha!


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