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Old 08-09-2012, 07:09 AM
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Lightbulb Shirley - Spirits, ETs and Your Karma - Insight I've Had

I watched the Windwalker IE Radio Show from a while back, and it seems like there are really good and evil spirits, although I would describe them as positive (or protective) and negative (where lots of bad karma was sowed). And I think the souls who choose not to go to the light would probably have chosen something like that in their karma.

However, I think your karma was to make real spirituality more acceptable and real to "the masses", the ordinary people around the world. So karma made sure that your experiences with spirits and ETs were positive, otherwise that would defeat the purpose of Creation. By having a positive base to go on, other people whose karma it was to try to encourage "stuck" and negative spirits to go to the light might see certain shows like the Windwalker and get some understanding.

I know it is not my karma to have heavy involvement with spirits, but there are people for who it is.

So my points are:
  • There is such thing as negative spirits where a lot of negative karma has been cast.
  • Where positive or negative spirits need more than subtle prompting to go to the light, they are waiting for the world itself to gain enough positive energy to give them courage or counteract the strong negative karma that has been done to/in a particular area and particular souls.
  • Shirley, your purpose was to bring real spirituality to "the masses", ordinary people around the world, which is why you haven't got any negative spiritual experiences.
  • Souls who don't want to go to the light have likely chosen that karma for a while.

Those are my insights at the present time. What do you think?

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Steven.
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Old 08-12-2012, 01:41 PM
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Hello Steven
There is dark and light. Even the Bible says "let there be light", which tells me darkness existed first. We are in a polarized 3D existence but isn't it our perceptions that determine what we think is positive or negative?

About your statement:
Shirley, your purpose was to bring real spirituality to "the masses", ordinary people around the world, which is why you haven't got any negative spiritual experiences.

My purpose is to explore for me. If my explorations and questioning mind can open a door for someone else to what I know as truth then great. If not great, too. Maybe someone else's words will impact them.

I do not want people's power. They have to be responsible for their experiences. I am not a guru and I think we are all teachers for each other. And please - I have things that aren't all sunshine and roses in my life. But it's what I do with that that makes them fall into the polarized group of positive and negative.

I think neutral harmony is what is necessary to remove polarity issues, not another guru.
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Old 08-12-2012, 02:01 PM
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SM,

Do you think it’s neutrality all the time that’s needed (which sounds like a placid boring state without emotion to me although emotional swings can be draining - in any case, please correct me if that’s not your interpretation of the word neutral) – or the ability to feel whatever we feel and come back from any polarized stance into neutrality that’s needed – recognizing that the polarized swings are something that can tell us about ourselves - something we can learn from – even if its only “I’m tired to day so that pisses me off?” so I won’t react – alhtough this could lead to – why am I tired – is this a “one off” or is it a pattern I could learn from – etc –

(Sorry to barge into the conversation here and sorry my punctuation sucks :rolleyes.

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Old 08-12-2012, 02:40 PM
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Hello Freesia
You are not barging you are participating.

I find neutral enhancing of the wonders around me. I don't find it boring at all. And even in my most neutral states I am always asking questions and always learning from myself and others.
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Old 08-13-2012, 07:46 AM
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First of all, thanks for responding! This is a long post, so you can read it in your own time and at your own pace.

No, I know that you don't want to have power, and that you don't consider yourself a guru. I don't consider you a guru either, I consider you a very kind person who is also able to speak her mind about her explorations of life despite strong traditional criticism. That is a very unique and rare blend of qualities, and you being a torchbearer helps other people stand out in the light too with belief based on genuine but "untraditional" (as some others might say) logic. And with regards to the "for the masses" comment, I agree that might have been a bit loaded, I was just referring you to your role as a teacher of many, which you took on during and after the events in Out on a Limb. I myself would never have found out or seriously considered metaphysical stuff if you hadn't started the candle burning by writing Sageing While Ageing, which I bought it on a whim with a whole lot of other books.

And while you don't have power "over" anyone, meaning you don't try to use or manipulate them against their will, you have an assistive power "with" many people, by shining a light into places others might not see without help or ever allow themselves to admit existed. So you have an emotional, spiritual power with your writing, acting and "you, being you Shirley" which you use for the good of Creation, which is also good for you and others too. =) And there is no way I consider that you haven't had thorns as well as roses, just reading your books and watching your works is proof enough of that!

What do you think about the Shaman Windwalker IE Program that Brit took, and the idea of spirits that actively try to discourage you visiting a place? I don't think spirits ever go out of their way to harm people (as in, roaming around), however in a certain place they may reflect bad karma which has been done at or near that place, and that could hurt people who foolishly trespass. Have you ever had contact with what the Windwalker would call "evil spirits"? Or do you think spirits that might try to counter people visiting their area only do so with certain people?

I am interested in this because of the spirit and transcendental experiences of yours I have read about or seen, had been largely positive experiences (even though they would have often been very "like, oh my gosh!" (not necessarily saying you use the word "gosh" though ), confusing or overwhelming at the time. Certainly no hauntings that I know about. Have you had any experiences of spirits with a seemingly negative energy of "bad karma trauma"?

And thanks again, you are a true, down to earth soul who just happens to also be "famous". "Fame" can certainly be a very mixed blessing, it's true. But both fame and your enquiring and fearless soul were necessary for being the torchbearer and "shiner of light" you have become. Which I think is why David had to drip-feed you information right up to you last seeing him before you went home in Out on a Limb, even though it nearly drove you mad!

You are a very special teacher, amongst a world of equals. Which is why you can teach yourself, teach others, and help others learn to be teachers and learners on their own spiritual path.

Best regards,
Steven.
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Old 08-13-2012, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by StevenOz
First of all, thanks for responding! This is a long post, so you can read it in your own time and at your own pace.

No, I know that you don't want to have power, and that you don't consider yourself a guru. I don't consider you a guru either, I consider you a very kind person who is also able to speak her mind about her explorations of life despite strong traditional criticism. That is a very unique and rare blend of qualities, and you being a torchbearer helps other people stand out in the light too with belief based on genuine but "untraditional" (as some others might say) logic. And with regards to the "for the masses" comment, I agree that might have been a bit loaded, I was just referring you to your role as a teacher of many, which you took on during and after the events in Out on a Limb. I myself would never have found out or seriously considered metaphysical stuff if you hadn't started the candle burning by writing Sageing While Ageing, which I bought it on a whim with a whole lot of other books.

And while you don't have power "over" anyone, meaning you don't try to use or manipulate them against their will, you have an assistive power "with" many people, by shining a light into places others might not see without help or ever allow themselves to admit existed. So you have an emotional, spiritual power with your writing, acting and "you, being you Shirley" which you use for the good of Creation, which is also good for you and others too. =) And there is no way I consider that you haven't had thorns as well as roses, just reading your books and watching your works is proof enough of that!

What do you think about the Shaman Windwalker IE Program that Brit took, and the idea of spirits that actively try to discourage you visiting a place? I don't think spirits ever go out of their way to harm people (as in, roaming around), however in a certain place they may reflect bad karma which has been done at or near that place, and that could hurt people who foolishly trespass. Have you ever had contact with what the Windwalker would call "evil spirits"? Or do you think spirits that might try to counter people visiting their area only do so with certain people?

I am interested in this because of the spirit and transcendental experiences of yours I have read about or seen, had been largely positive experiences (even though they would have often been very "like, oh my gosh!" (not necessarily saying you use the word "gosh" though ), confusing or overwhelming at the time. Certainly no hauntings that I know about. Have you had any experiences of spirits with a seemingly negative energy of "bad karma trauma"?

And thanks again, you are a true, down to earth soul who just happens to also be "famous". "Fame" can certainly be a very mixed blessing, it's true. But both fame and your enquiring and fearless soul were necessary for being the torchbearer and "shiner of light" you have become. Which I think is why David had to drip-feed you information right up to you last seeing him before you went home in Out on a Limb, even though it nearly drove you mad!

You are a very special teacher, amongst a world of equals. Which is why you can teach yourself, teach others, and help others learn to be teachers and learners on their own spiritual path.

Best regards,
Steven.

Steven sorry for responding here in your post to Shirley, but it was so wonderful what you expressed. I think that we all totaly agree with what you said about Shirley. I dont see her as guru but kind of Head Master. Ha,ha. Love to you both.
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Old 08-13-2012, 04:36 PM
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Hi SM,

I don’t want to be rude – but I don’t understand. I am talking about emotions – and you seem to be referring to emotions when you say

I have things that aren't all sunshine and roses in my life. But it's what I do with that that makes them fall into the polarized group of positive and negative.

Ie – you have experiences and you feel unhappy or not pleased about them – and that is when you “do” something with those feelings which I assume means look inside yourself and learn about who you are more deeply.

Is that at all accurate? I mean what do you mean when you say “you have things?” Things are objects – we don’t live through objects – we live through our senses, emotions and mind – so if some “thing” happens or appears in our life – we react first, emotionally – and that becomes a judgment or response in our brain.

Do you not feel the feelings first? I’m not trying to be rude – some people are not aware of how fast we feel and then think – and they believe they have a “reason” to logically/rationally like or dislike something but the irrational feeling always exists and comes first – that’s the dark before the light – the dark representing the feminine/the old emotional brain/ and the light representing the conscious mind.

Western society has squashed down the feminine for so long and told us not to feel –that people actually get freaked out if they start to feel things they believe are not acceptable. Then they unconsciously stop those feelings and stuff them into the subconscious where they create dis-ease in the body or come out with bursts of emotion or in passive aggression – and basically, stuffing the emotions is what creates shadows and it’s shadows in our subconscious that create the world –

By extension the polarities you speak of exist as well because of these shadows – unaddressed and unrecognized feelings.

Feelings are the feminine – and if we are to bring feminine into the world we have to do it by listening to “her” first don’t we?

Which is why I asked about learning from our feelings – ie actually recognizing and feeling them – all of them – and then coming into balance or centeredness (which is what your neutral harmony seems to be to me – is that right?)

What you said, needing neutrality, in my opinion, jumps over the process you probably follow – although you would have to confirm or deny  what I said above about the sunshine and roses being feelings you respond to –

And I believe it’s in your process that you have the most wisdom because the end result – neutrality can be taken to mean – when you have a feeling of “negativity” just put a spin on it – ie don’t learn about yourself from it – just control the feelings – which would cause more emotions to be stuffed down; the shadows would grow and harmony in the world among people would not be created – because the stuff of shadows would create the opposite.

Do you know what I mean?



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Old 08-14-2012, 03:55 AM
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Spirit can be a bitch. It expects you not to have an ego and also not to be attached to form. The Universe won't give me a spiritual teacher. I tend to fall in love with spiritual teacher. I would just create karma. Here is one scenario that is going through my mind.

After David Wilcox spurns my many advances I decide to get even. After I transform myself into a hideous old crone I show up at his doorstep with a basket full of apples. I ring the doorbell and he answers. I say to him that I am raising money for my church and if he would be willing to buy some of my beautiful organic apples. I explain to him that these are special apples grown with a powerful fertilizer fulva grow. These apples are able to remove toxins from his body because of the way they were grown. I hand him one big apple and tell him to try it. He bites into it and almost immediately falls to the ground. I take apple out of his hand and take off.

After several hours of people trying to reach him his girlfriend runs next to his house to find him ling on the ground in a coma. She calls an ambulance and he is rushed to the hospital. They do all sorts of tests on him but nobody can find out what is wrong with him. He is put on life support machines to help me but he still remains in a coma. After a few weeks his girlfriend becomes frantic. Luckily he has health insurance because it is costing tens of thousands of dollars a day to keep him alive. She is burned that his insurance will run out and that he will will run up a huge bill. Out of desperation she pays John Edward 500 dollars for a private reading. He tells her that he has been poisoned. Only the Pennac Goddess of the Underworld has the antidote to the poison. She will to make a journey to Lake Titicaca in Peru and there she will have to do a ceremony with a shaman using the San Pedro cactus. The shaman will open the portal to the underworld and the gates will enable her to leave her body and travel through it. She will also demand they bring her a gift a locket containing some of Shirley Maclaine's hair. John suddenly stops and says I have just receive her information about the goddess. A dark shaman has imprisoned her in a crystal using reptilian technology.
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Old 09-11-2012, 03:09 PM
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It’s been interesting reading this discussion about neutrality. I think, and I could be wrong, that Shirley was using the word neutrality as a word picture in an attempt to portray a state that precedes an expression, thought or response; undifferentiated pre-time; the silence between expression and reaction. Neutrality has no form of itself but provides the sphere wherein such can be born and experienced; the space between the cause and the reaction.



I am of the opinion that we feel and react to sensory information because we have a form, an identity or self that distinguishes itself from other. Without a difference that knowing would not exist. However absolute neutrality can not exist within a sense of self and other. None-the-less neutrality can be discovered when one relinquishes their mental connections with their sense of self and attunes to or focuses awareness as an undifferentiated knowing where all is one; the state sought during meditation. It removes ones awareness from the boundaries of experienced knowledge to the state of infinite knowing. Knowledge sets the parameters of what we mentally understand or believe to be reality. It is our gift and our curse. Within our knowledge base, structure or form we experience and react consciously to our life yet can free our focus from the boundaries of that existence, or the cause and effect reality of our life by assuming a state of neutrality.



Neutrality in our daily lives can be retained to varying degrees by remaining centered within ourselves as the observer rather than as the focused participant within and of the events being enacted by our existences, our forms. The observer is aware of all that transpires but does not precondition sensory awareness by filtering it through a preconceived knowledge base or function established by the parameters or boundaries of form being utilized for self expression. In that state you are more than the body/mind awareness utilizing both self expression and atunement with life.

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