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Old 08-09-2012, 07:09 AM
StevenOz StevenOz is offline
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Lightbulb Shirley - Spirits, ETs and Your Karma - Insight I've Had

I watched the Windwalker IE Radio Show from a while back, and it seems like there are really good and evil spirits, although I would describe them as positive (or protective) and negative (where lots of bad karma was sowed). And I think the souls who choose not to go to the light would probably have chosen something like that in their karma.

However, I think your karma was to make real spirituality more acceptable and real to "the masses", the ordinary people around the world. So karma made sure that your experiences with spirits and ETs were positive, otherwise that would defeat the purpose of Creation. By having a positive base to go on, other people whose karma it was to try to encourage "stuck" and negative spirits to go to the light might see certain shows like the Windwalker and get some understanding.

I know it is not my karma to have heavy involvement with spirits, but there are people for who it is.

So my points are:
  • There is such thing as negative spirits where a lot of negative karma has been cast.
  • Where positive or negative spirits need more than subtle prompting to go to the light, they are waiting for the world itself to gain enough positive energy to give them courage or counteract the strong negative karma that has been done to/in a particular area and particular souls.
  • Shirley, your purpose was to bring real spirituality to "the masses", ordinary people around the world, which is why you haven't got any negative spiritual experiences.
  • Souls who don't want to go to the light have likely chosen that karma for a while.

Those are my insights at the present time. What do you think?

Best regards,
Steven.
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Old 08-12-2012, 01:41 PM
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Hello Steven
There is dark and light. Even the Bible says "let there be light", which tells me darkness existed first. We are in a polarized 3D existence but isn't it our perceptions that determine what we think is positive or negative?

About your statement:
Shirley, your purpose was to bring real spirituality to "the masses", ordinary people around the world, which is why you haven't got any negative spiritual experiences.

My purpose is to explore for me. If my explorations and questioning mind can open a door for someone else to what I know as truth then great. If not great, too. Maybe someone else's words will impact them.

I do not want people's power. They have to be responsible for their experiences. I am not a guru and I think we are all teachers for each other. And please - I have things that aren't all sunshine and roses in my life. But it's what I do with that that makes them fall into the polarized group of positive and negative.

I think neutral harmony is what is necessary to remove polarity issues, not another guru.
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Old 08-12-2012, 02:01 PM
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SM,

Do you think it’s neutrality all the time that’s needed (which sounds like a placid boring state without emotion to me although emotional swings can be draining - in any case, please correct me if that’s not your interpretation of the word neutral) – or the ability to feel whatever we feel and come back from any polarized stance into neutrality that’s needed – recognizing that the polarized swings are something that can tell us about ourselves - something we can learn from – even if its only “I’m tired to day so that pisses me off?” so I won’t react – alhtough this could lead to – why am I tired – is this a “one off” or is it a pattern I could learn from – etc –

(Sorry to barge into the conversation here and sorry my punctuation sucks :rolleyes.

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Old 08-12-2012, 02:40 PM
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Hello Freesia
You are not barging you are participating.

I find neutral enhancing of the wonders around me. I don't find it boring at all. And even in my most neutral states I am always asking questions and always learning from myself and others.
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Old 08-13-2012, 07:46 AM
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First of all, thanks for responding! This is a long post, so you can read it in your own time and at your own pace.

No, I know that you don't want to have power, and that you don't consider yourself a guru. I don't consider you a guru either, I consider you a very kind person who is also able to speak her mind about her explorations of life despite strong traditional criticism. That is a very unique and rare blend of qualities, and you being a torchbearer helps other people stand out in the light too with belief based on genuine but "untraditional" (as some others might say) logic. And with regards to the "for the masses" comment, I agree that might have been a bit loaded, I was just referring you to your role as a teacher of many, which you took on during and after the events in Out on a Limb. I myself would never have found out or seriously considered metaphysical stuff if you hadn't started the candle burning by writing Sageing While Ageing, which I bought it on a whim with a whole lot of other books.

And while you don't have power "over" anyone, meaning you don't try to use or manipulate them against their will, you have an assistive power "with" many people, by shining a light into places others might not see without help or ever allow themselves to admit existed. So you have an emotional, spiritual power with your writing, acting and "you, being you Shirley" which you use for the good of Creation, which is also good for you and others too. =) And there is no way I consider that you haven't had thorns as well as roses, just reading your books and watching your works is proof enough of that!

What do you think about the Shaman Windwalker IE Program that Brit took, and the idea of spirits that actively try to discourage you visiting a place? I don't think spirits ever go out of their way to harm people (as in, roaming around), however in a certain place they may reflect bad karma which has been done at or near that place, and that could hurt people who foolishly trespass. Have you ever had contact with what the Windwalker would call "evil spirits"? Or do you think spirits that might try to counter people visiting their area only do so with certain people?

I am interested in this because of the spirit and transcendental experiences of yours I have read about or seen, had been largely positive experiences (even though they would have often been very "like, oh my gosh!" (not necessarily saying you use the word "gosh" though ), confusing or overwhelming at the time. Certainly no hauntings that I know about. Have you had any experiences of spirits with a seemingly negative energy of "bad karma trauma"?

And thanks again, you are a true, down to earth soul who just happens to also be "famous". "Fame" can certainly be a very mixed blessing, it's true. But both fame and your enquiring and fearless soul were necessary for being the torchbearer and "shiner of light" you have become. Which I think is why David had to drip-feed you information right up to you last seeing him before you went home in Out on a Limb, even though it nearly drove you mad!

You are a very special teacher, amongst a world of equals. Which is why you can teach yourself, teach others, and help others learn to be teachers and learners on their own spiritual path.

Best regards,
Steven.
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Old 08-13-2012, 03:41 PM
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First of all, thanks for responding! This is a long post, so you can read it in your own time and at your own pace.

No, I know that you don't want to have power, and that you don't consider yourself a guru. I don't consider you a guru either, I consider you a very kind person who is also able to speak her mind about her explorations of life despite strong traditional criticism. That is a very unique and rare blend of qualities, and you being a torchbearer helps other people stand out in the light too with belief based on genuine but "untraditional" (as some others might say) logic. And with regards to the "for the masses" comment, I agree that might have been a bit loaded, I was just referring you to your role as a teacher of many, which you took on during and after the events in Out on a Limb. I myself would never have found out or seriously considered metaphysical stuff if you hadn't started the candle burning by writing Sageing While Ageing, which I bought it on a whim with a whole lot of other books.

And while you don't have power "over" anyone, meaning you don't try to use or manipulate them against their will, you have an assistive power "with" many people, by shining a light into places others might not see without help or ever allow themselves to admit existed. So you have an emotional, spiritual power with your writing, acting and "you, being you Shirley" which you use for the good of Creation, which is also good for you and others too. =) And there is no way I consider that you haven't had thorns as well as roses, just reading your books and watching your works is proof enough of that!

What do you think about the Shaman Windwalker IE Program that Brit took, and the idea of spirits that actively try to discourage you visiting a place? I don't think spirits ever go out of their way to harm people (as in, roaming around), however in a certain place they may reflect bad karma which has been done at or near that place, and that could hurt people who foolishly trespass. Have you ever had contact with what the Windwalker would call "evil spirits"? Or do you think spirits that might try to counter people visiting their area only do so with certain people?

I am interested in this because of the spirit and transcendental experiences of yours I have read about or seen, had been largely positive experiences (even though they would have often been very "like, oh my gosh!" (not necessarily saying you use the word "gosh" though ), confusing or overwhelming at the time. Certainly no hauntings that I know about. Have you had any experiences of spirits with a seemingly negative energy of "bad karma trauma"?

And thanks again, you are a true, down to earth soul who just happens to also be "famous". "Fame" can certainly be a very mixed blessing, it's true. But both fame and your enquiring and fearless soul were necessary for being the torchbearer and "shiner of light" you have become. Which I think is why David had to drip-feed you information right up to you last seeing him before you went home in Out on a Limb, even though it nearly drove you mad!

You are a very special teacher, amongst a world of equals. Which is why you can teach yourself, teach others, and help others learn to be teachers and learners on their own spiritual path.

Best regards,
Steven.

Steven sorry for responding here in your post to Shirley, but it was so wonderful what you expressed. I think that we all totaly agree with what you said about Shirley. I dont see her as guru but kind of Head Master. Ha,ha. Love to you both.
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