Thanks for the clarification – I didn’trealize you had just been listening to the interview I mean shortly before Iasked the question – fun to get such a quick response :) .
I actually remember that comment youmention but not the whole interview so I’m going to listen to the interviewagain as soon as I can (quicktime audio issues on my part – dealing with a lotof tech at the moment very frustrating!)
I remember thinking though that the commentwas sort of mysterious – and got the impression they were saying like he was certainabout his opinion and wouldn’t really listen to alternatives. But I could be remembering or interpreting itwrong not to mention totally interpreting it wrong.
As to the ‘left brained’ definition/comment– I think more precisely for what I was trying to express the word ‘literal’would apply.
I don’t believe Sitchin and others took/takeinto account the people in the past experiencing life differently – different dimensionsbeing part of their everyday. Sort oflike natives will talk about shamans visiting other worlds etc. and it sounds like 'real people'. It's not the same as real physical people - but it is real. If that makes sense.
As well, there are things now like plasma eventsthat have happened in the past (plasma cosmologists just are starting tounderstand this) – that I don’t believe Sitchin considered either.(there's a story natives in the south west have about the Grand Canyon being created by a lightning bolt - sounds far fetched but then lightning is plasma - and interplanetary plasma bolts are possible under certain conditions - which is all sort of wow! when you think about it - ok, maybe that's just me!)
But, getting back to ZS (Sitchin) like I said, I haven’t read the bookthrough.
As for the ‘left brain’. I thought you might be interested in adifferent interpretation of brain activity – it’s actually probably morehelpful, in my opinion.
I’m reading a book (Hare Brain, Tortoise Mind) at the moment that describes it as ‘d-mode’ and ‘undermind’.
The fast brainis the pre-frontal cortex – runs on beta waves (both left and right sides – theright side doing this is like ‘brainstorming’ - ) – anything fast is thatprefrontal brain.
But as you probably know, we have more thanour prefrontal brain – it’s the smallest bit, actually – and the other partsrun on slower waves.
Both brains can be fallible – I don’t havethe book handy now but there’s a couple of little ‘experiments’ that show howwe can think and get misled in either way. Quite fun and fascinating in my opinion.
Society favours the d-mode/prefrontalthinking styles (fast styles like you mentioned) – but they aren’t always the best for any given situation. Still, without them we wouldn’t be humaneither J.
Sorry, I’m a pisces, I feel a bit sorry forthe oft-maligned pre-frontal or even left- brain. I don’t want society slipping into a medieval(pre-enlightenment) view of logic and reason and quick thinking always beingwrong – I mean the enlightenment happened for a reason! The undermind can get stuck and do stupid,superstitious things too.
Anyway, hope some of that made sense I'm not exactly editing well :) all for now.
Hope you have a nice weekend.
(1) Great observation! When you listen to the interview with Clow, you'll discover that this is one of her issues with Sitchin as well.
(2) This sounds like a fantastic book! I am adding it to my reading list. Thank you so much. Questions like this often come up in my continued yoga teacher training, so I can't wait to take a look at it myself.
(3) No worries, Pisces. I am an Aries with Leo rising--in other words, watch out! ;)
Namaste from the Midwest,
I'm onto the Barbara Clow audio - I'll let you know when I finish.
I actually had to return 'Hare Brain, Tortoise Mind' to the library - only one copy and it's on hold for someone else - frustrating. I will have to get back to it when I get it back from the library.
What I like about it is the balance it gives - Guy Claxton, the author, studied under various Buddhist masters though I believe that he got a degree in, well, something - I didn't actually make note of that!
I did get another one of his books out as an ebook - called Noises from the Darkroom - it's about evolution of the mind -
Starting from an evolutionary perspective, Guy Claxton shows how the mind has emerged from the brain, and how, along the way, some crucial misapprehensions have slipped into our unconscious models of ourselves. Through its masterly and engaging synthesis of different perspectives, Noises from the Darkroom offers a view of the totality of the human brain-mind that illuminates clearly both its blind alleys and its potentialities.Have no idea if it's any good but sounded interesting and I am curious to read my first ebook - one that I borrowed from the library, I mean.
Are you still interested in discussing Sitchin? I have put a hold on that again - should get it by the end of the month.
I actually wanted to share a theory of evolution that I read about over the summer. When I say read I mean I was reading a book called 'The Body Electric' about electromagnetism and the foundation of life (it's very very well written. All about the experiments R. Becker did in relation to regeneration of limbs - sounds very techy but the man who wrote it or helped write it - Selden - did an amazing job and it's very easy to read for all the technical science stuff in it.)
Anyway, in the book is mentioned a theory of how life started which I think was very interesting. I believe you may have pointed out about the 'soup' idea - that we came out of some mixture of primordial soup or something -
I mean we as in - life on this planet.
In the book, though, there was mention of a theory that says that maybe the first 'life' was actually in non-organic matter. Apparently certain elements like silicon I think he said can create a sort of primitave 'nervous system' all on their own and so react to things like lava and move away (pain) -
The idea is after these primative nervous systems developed then the organic matter could have joined together with it and created 'life' as we know it -
It's all very molecular and quantum energy related but as I said it was very easy to read. Though this fascinating theory was a mere side note. I'm trying to either buy the book or get it out again (long waiting list) just to get the details - and read it again.
As for you being an Aries with Leo rising - lol -no worries. . . watch out . . .that's sort of contradictory! Scorch! Two fire signs -
But what is your moon sign (emotional nature)?
BTW in terms of yoga - do you see that as a spiritual or purely physical practise?
My cousin teaches yoga and though I don't know her that well she was interviewed saying a lot of people use it purely for physical reasons but it's a spiritual practise at it's best - or something like that. I'm apparently no good at quoting things!
Hello Freesia and All! First, Freesia, please forgive me numbering your observations in such a linear fashion. I do not mean to try to net your Pisces ways! (That reminds me of a Buddhist saying about being in the moment: "Real Buddha is a fish just netted leaping and jumping." I digress.) It just helps me respond (I'm a lawyer, too, and I can't let go of my lawyerin' ways sometimes) . . .
(1) I just got a book by David Ian Cowan (another interviewee of Shirley's) called Navigating the Collapse of Time, and the foreword is by Barbara Hand Clow. I recall SM's interview with David Cowan being great and remember thinking that this guy is stunningly bright! Can't wait to read the book.
(2) I love reading about Buddhism, its theory and practice. It makes the most sense to me--so far--as to how to (try) to live my daily life. So that makes the book even more intriguing to me.
(3) My yoga teacher--Tias Little--loves exploring the "two" brains and spends much time in his teacher trainings on such matters--the "reptilian" subtle mind and the over-thinking, analytical, left-brain. I wonder if Tias is familiar with Claxton? . . .
(4) Yes! And what a wonderful library and community you must live in that such authors are in such demand that you have to put holds on books that are now 30 years old! I think I'm the only one around here checking out such books!
(5) I love the idea of "life" coming from non-organic matter! From dust to dust, eh?
(6) Ha! Scorch, indeed! My moon sign is Sagittarius. What does that say? A firey flaming trifecta?! ;) I'm sad to say that I've never actually had an astrological reading. Guess I'm in the right place for that here, though, eh? I'll have to get Sandra Helton to do a chart for me sometime soon?
(7) Ah yoga . . . for me, the cure to any trouble. I see it, primarily, as a spiritual practice. The physical--or asana--part is only one limb of the 8-fold yogic path. Training in the physical limbs of the yogic path lead to the deepening of the spiritual practice and ultimately a lovely journey to nirvana/samadhi.
Namaste from the Midwest,
I like the numbering. :)
I read the other day it’s good to stick to one point when expressing things – not my strong suit! As long as you don’t get into legalise – them thar’ big words and such - no problem!
I understand you are a vegetarian – can I assume this is a catch and release fish then?;)
Now for my turn at the numbers . . .
(1) Is David Ian Cowan the guy who talked about how our bedrooms might not exist if we are not in them? That freaked my brain out a bit. I was the kind of kid who was sure that my toys came to life -I used to open and shut the door very fast to catch them. I never did. My conclusion - I wasn't fast enough!
(2 and 3) - sort of messing up the numbers here - : ) It would be interesting to know if your yoga teacher has heard of him - I can only remember he mentioned OSHO - but I don't know if he's buddhist - there were some other names too - did I mention I had to give the book back? he new book seems more like a philsophy of mind book I haven't gotten into it yet.
(4) It is quite wonderful to have a great library system - Apparently it's one of the best or the best in the world - sources: Wikipedia and TripAdvisor haha - hey, pick and choose your sources, I say! But seriously, I do love it. It is one of the things that makes me wonder if I'd ever leave the city. But then I did just discover 'interlibrary loans' so . . . About the 30 year old books - I find it both fascinating and frustrating to find books a decade of more old and I think - what was I doing while I was not reading this??!! Then I've found some quite old things - turn of the last century - where people are writing about theories that are just resurfacing - mind blowing - why don't they get general acceptance earlier . . . I suppose you can move into conspiracy theories then - or just put it down to the world not being ready - depending on your mood or time of day - or maybe your sign . . .which leads to (6)
(5) 'dust to dust' that's just what I thought - actually - I wondered - did some intelligent being a la Sitchin's annunaki come down and try to explain it to us and all we got was 'we're made of clay' - I mean wouldn't you have to really simplify some ideas if they were so far ahead of where we were?
(6) Hmmmm moon in Sagitarrius - do you want the good news or the bad news - just kidding! I'm a moon in Gemini - so Air opposite your fire - my best friend is a Sagg moon - here's what I know very idealistic - will fight the good fight. Doesn't suffer fools well -
You sure do have a lot of fire! It's interesting to me because I have a lot of different elements in my chart - poses different challenges. I think it would be easier to align things if they were all the same element or complementary (air/fire or earth/water) - but then having only one - maybe it can get easily exaggerated? I have one sign - venus in Aries - which has led me to wonder if our cultures have created ideas of what each sign is about and sort of skewed them for us. Like since we are in a very yang/fiery time - are our fire elements over 'nourished' - would we recognize that fire in balance? Can you have a balance in a fiery time or is the balance then different from a non-fiery time?
I've wondered because that fire plays against water - opposites and i've had the fire drag my poor little water sign around and acheived great success outwardly but inwardly - ouch!
What's your experience with your fire - I think you must make quite the lawyer!
I haven't had a chart done by Sandra Helton - but yes, that would be the place to start here.
(7) I didn't know there was an 8 fold yogic path. Very interesting - sounds very profound - my only experience was in a much shallower version at a local continuing ed course where the teacher said after a particular pose - "Be careful not to snap your neck". I quit when I realized she wasn't kidding and we hadn't actually been taught how to do the pose well! A spiritual yoga makes much more sense.
(8) new point - I just received news that the 12th planet is back at the library - so I will start on that and get to Clow's interview too. It was Thanksgiving up here this weekend so I took it relatively easy.
Maybe you can help me understand though - why does America celebrate Columbo? I mean I liked the show and Falk was a good actor but a whole day? :p (joke, possibly a bad one!)
Hope you had a nice weekend.
Hello! So sorry it has taken me so long to reply to your thoughtful post. I've been traveling (some pleasure/some work/in the midst of it still now), work in between, and not much down time.
You understand correctly! I am a vegetarian (10 years). I like the idea of hunting/fishing for yourself better, actually, than shopping at the local grocery store, but yes...for now...I'd neither catch nor release. ;)
You might be interested in that whole Buddhist saying. It goes something like this:
"Hey! . . . Were you talking about Old Buddha? Why, . . . Old Buddha is no Buddha. Real Buddha is a fish just netted, leaping and jumping."
So, the dharma is not something or someone that happened or said something in the past. The real dharma practice is whatever comes into our net--our practice, our life--at each and every moment. The moment, the now is the perfect teacher.
What do you think?
Hmmm? I do not recall that part of the interview, but I brought his book along The Collapse of Time, which I'll start after I finish Autobiography of a Yogi (maybe about 1/2 through) and Dancing in the Light (just started).
I know what you mean! My little 30-something year old world has just started to become more awakened within the last 3 years or so, and I am only now (there's that word again) reading authors like Sitchen, Cayce, (yes, even Shirley), Vedic and Buddhist texts. I suppose we all have our own individual journeys to the Path (as the Buddha in the net might say).
Huh? . . . this part of our conversation also reminds me of another saying from the Diamond Sutra (I think!) . . . "I and all beings simultaneously realize the Way." I like that. I and all beings simultaneously realize the Way. All that is reality happens simultaneously, eh? . . . Huh? . . .
Sitchin might say the Nefelim/Anunnaki/etc. had something to do with those memory lapses?
I don't know if Sitchin would say Ennki or Enlil (I cannot now recall which had/has the affinity towards humans and ultimately granted the knowledge of agriculture, etc.) wanted us to advance any. I think much of his theories is that we were just supposed to dig the gold from the gold mines and have no aspirations for higher intelligence or knowing god. We were a grand compromise between the gods and the Anunnaki who were fed up with doing all the grunt work--the first collectively bargained agreement!
For better or for worse, that is a pretty darn good description of me.
Of course, my dosha is also pitta (with very little of any other element). I can absolutely get out out of balance with too much firey passion, but I have found that the yoga, meditation, and vegetarian/ayruvedic diet balance me out superbly.
How do you balance your watery Pisces and airy (I presume your dosha is likely Vatta) qualities? I think Yoga, again, could help really ground that vatta-ness. Obviously, any grounding pose--and even inversions like headstands--will get your feet back solidly on the ground.
This is interesting. You are right, this is certainly a fiery/yang moment in time, isn't it? I think us fire signs tend to thrive in such an environment (that is, we think we like it), but what we really need and deep down crave is cooling tranquility--yoga, again. So . . .What is the conclusion? More yoga and meditation for all? Not a bad prescription, I'd say.
What say you?
I think being a fire sign (not to mention a triple fire and a pitta) probably certainly helps me find the passion in practicing law. However, I've been doing it long enough now that I've learned that cooler heads (including such tricks as levity, compassion for your "opponent," and maintaining a good sense of humor) usually prevail, which is good for me because incorporating such coolness balances my passionate fire to protect and defend my client with zeal and usually results in better outcomes. Yoga (again!) and meditation each morning before I hit the ground running with law has also helped so much!
And sanghas (communities) like this one where I can turn to and remember that there is more to this Life than what I have been conditioned to perceive, more than what I have been conditioned to believe help so much in balancing the fire not only in my little self, but also the world.
The energy of The Sangha (this sangha included) is so very important to the quality of survival of this existence. I am so blessed to be part of your sangha here in the cherry pit and look forward to growing with you all for the remainder of this incarnation here.
It's actually called the 8 limbs of yoga (Buddhism has a similar "8 fold path" tradition). The 8 limbs of yoga are . . . yama, niyama, asana (physical yoga practice), pranayama, pratyahara, dharana, dyana, samadhi. Look 'em up!
YAY! Can't wait to talk with you about The 12th Planet!
Funny! I wish I could understand why we "celebrate" Columbus Day, too!
Thanks! I did! I'll be in Santa Fe with my partner doing various interesting and fun things (and also seeing and practicing with my yoga teacher Tias Little) this weekend, so should be a blast! Hope you have a lovely weekend, too, and that your week has been proceeding peacefully!
Namaste (temporarily) from the Vegas strip,
I hope you are having a good time - still :)
In terms of now being the perfect teacher - I wonder if there's a difference between what can be learned if there is a concept of enlightenment (however it's understood - Christ Consciousness; higher self; idealism etc) - and if there is no such concept.
In the first instance, the 'now' would provide the experiences and so lead to a particular kind of learning and in the other, it would lead to another -
I suppose both experiences of 'learning' could lead a person to enlightenment and also away from it - but I think that I agree with plato - I think it was plato - there's something more when you 'know' - ie if you know you can learn and it's in the context of a greater whole - then what you can learn could be greater -
Though I could be biased!
How's that for both answering, and not really answering a question :D not done on purpose, I assure you!
LOL I love it - you are so full of quotations - I always wanted to be able to quote cool things!
That idea of all that is reality happens at the same time - is that meaning all lifetimes or just that we all exist in this time at the same time - and so it's like most profound things there's an aspect of - 'well, duh!' if you get down to it - yes it's all happening now - when else would it be? Pass the potato chips! (I know - there is a more profound level than this! I'm teasing - which may not go over well - it's a bad habit - forgive me!)
I'm just starting in on the 12th planet - I will go back and look at your posts and respond as I know what the heck he's on about! On first glance, that seems a rather depressing idea - but then when I read your subsequent comment about the Annunaki -
I thought it was very interesting because I'd just been reading about myths - how people created oral stories and passed them down - some were real events and some were based on real events and others were about themes that societies felt were important to remember. Morality and value things, I suppose. Meaning of life. That sort of thing - and these could be purely allegorical.
I wondered when you described the situation as you did - 'first collectively bargained agreement' - how could we know that this wasn't about an idea being passed down?
The little bit I've looked into this story I did from an historical perspective first (I studied history and english so it was a natural direction for me to take, I suppose) - and I never realized that 3000 BC was a time where there was environmental degradation in the middle east - they were chopping down all sorts of huge, ancient trees - and I know that 3000 BC is just when the story started to be put down - so I wondered - what was going on even before that that I didn't know about.
Do you know any of Frank Joseph's work? He's got some very interesting ideas of ancient prehistory - Even outside of these alternative works though, historians have found things like a shirt in Eastern Europe that is 30,000 years old that is so finely woven it's like a Brooks Brother's shirt.
Some people say that's a sign we had aliens telling people how to do things but I wonder if it's not more comfortable to believe that then to know that we may have been at the level of ability we are at now - even higher and we somehow screwed it up in ways that we could be doing again.
I think that's actually what Cayce would be saying in terms of Atlantis.
Anyway, not to wander too far around - I'll stop - and read some more and look back on your posts/questions.
Oh, haha - I did also wonder, "Norma Rae", if you weren't projecting into the story re: collective barganing just a little bit - I'll let you know when I've read more. :D
I haven't looked into the Ayurvedic ideas - I got into Chinese Medicine which, interestingly, uses 5 elements to describe people (or at least their state of health - not sure if they apply it to personality) as well. Didn't Buddha come from India or something? I suppose there would have been a trading of other ideas as well.
I did do a test online though just to see and I came up pretty much balanced in the three which is sort of interesting because I was told astrologically my chart is balanced in all the elelments - which poses different challenges than having all the same or similar energies -
I think you have the right idea about meditation and yoga - a nice, compliment - something to raise your energy up to those higher levels and something to keep you connected to the earth - grounded.
I read once that kundalini which is about higher energy coming in wasn't the only energy movement - there's another - the opposite kind - moving from the earth outward - do you know anything about that?
I think that energy isn't about the material world - but more earth energy - I think the world we've created the 'material' world is more a product of unbalanced minds. By which I don't mean insane - just unbalanced energetically :D I wonder what kind of society we would create if we were all energetically balanced . . .
Look 'em up! LOL Yes Ma'am - (actually, I will, eventually, will get back to you when I do!)
By the way, how you described the way you work with your energies and how it affects your 'lawyering' gives me hope for the whole profession.
I hope you have had a great trip and enjoyed both Vegas and Santa Fe. Did you win any money in Vegas? I swear I could have been a problem gambler! Maybe it was a good thing my piscean energy was somewhat ignored over the years!
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