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PAULA CAMPOS 10-15-2012 02:01 PM

The insane don't realise they're insane!
 
Does this not worry anyone?:eek:


What if youíre mad and donít know? How can you tell? Well...you canít, thatís the point:o

patswife 10-15-2012 03:39 PM

Paula, Maybe we couldn't tell if we were insane, but probably other people could and they would let us know in one way or another. Hhhhmmmm....are you having concerns? LOL
Love,
Joanne

sisterlura 10-16-2012 05:20 AM

hmmmm ......
 
I've been forever fascinated by the thin line between sanity and insanity ... I've known many "eccentric artistically creative" people who -- if they lived someplace else or maybe wore different clothes -- would probably be labeled certifiably insane!

I think a lot of it's perception - sort of like the age-old question "What is normal?"

Or ... why is green GREEN, and not BLUE??

Interesting stuff to ponder on a rainy afternoon ... :rolleyes:

Love,
Lura :p

A Dreamer 10-16-2012 09:26 AM

Wow Paula!

Funny that you should bring this up at this time. I've been reading a few books on psychopaths and sociopaths over the past couple of weeks. These are people who are often very charming, normal looking, often have better than average intelligence and simply have no conscience. They can be found in all walks of life. Most are criminal in one way or another and many are never charged with a crime because they just have not been caught at something they can be charged with. They are, however, destructive to others in one way or another because they do not possess any understanding of what people with conscience feel. They know right from wrong but do not understand why what they do would cause another person distress. They see people with emotions and conscience as weak. They have learned to act as though they have the same feelings as other people because it is useful to them and helps them manipulate the other person. These people do not fit the definition of insane in our courts because they do know what is considered right or wrong. All they care about is not getting caught at what they do to satisfy their own needs.

I also deal with my mother and her dementia every day. I am constantly reminded that she thinks I am the one who is crazy. :) Maybe? Hahaha!

It's a fascinating subject to me.

With the election around the corner I have to give thought to how many of our politicians fit this description. It's scary.

AD

patswife 10-16-2012 05:31 PM

Hi Dreamer,
I loved reading what you wrote. I have known people who are exactly like the ones you describe. I don't know if they are technically insane, but i have always thought that these people have deep and serious problems. I think you have explained at least part of this question very well.
Love,
Joanne

A Dreamer 10-16-2012 06:25 PM

Hi patswife,

Legally these people are not insane. I think that makes them
even more dangerous to society. It's very likely that every one
of us has met one of them at some time in our life. Statistics
say they are 4% of the population; one out of twenty-five people.
Where I make the connection with what Paula said is that although
sociopaths know they are somehow different, they cannot know
what it is that makes them different. Their disorder is probably
partially with them at birth and then their life experience deepens
it. They do not have to come from abusive or deprived childhoods.
They can come from wealthy, loving families.

The best way to detect them is frequent plays for pity. Pity leaves
good people emotionally vulnerable. Bad or egregiously inadequate
behavior with frequent plays for your pity is as close to a warning
sign you will ever be given. I know I have met several of these
people during my life.

AD

sisterlura 10-17-2012 04:14 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by A Dreamer
Hi patswife,

Legally these people are not insane. I think that makes them
even more dangerous to society. It's very likely that every one
of us has met one of them at some time in our life. Statistics
say they are 4% of the population; one out of twenty-five people.
Where I make the connection with what Paula said is that although
sociopaths know they are somehow different, they cannot know
what it is that makes them different. Their disorder is probably
partially with them at birth and then their life experience deepens
it. They do not have to come from abusive or deprived childhoods.
They can come from wealthy, loving families.

The best way to detect them is frequent plays for pity. Pity leaves
good people emotionally vulnerable. Bad or egregiously inadequate
behavior with frequent plays for your pity is as close to a warning
sign you will ever be given. I know I have met several of these
people during my life.

AD


This is fascinating, AD! ~ When I began reading what you wrote, I was thinking 'oh, like Ted Bundy or Son of Sam, the postal worker,' but then you lost me on the "frequent plays for pity" part .... could you please elaborate on that a bit? I somehow don't see a Ted Bundy type of sociopath playing for pity, but I don't lnow ... are you referring to sly manipulation, maybe?

Thanks!

Love,
Lura

A Dreamer 10-17-2012 07:32 PM

Hi Lura,

Yes, Ted Bundy would be right. One of Ted Bundy's methods of getting the
women to speak with him and go with him to his car was to put a fake
cast on his arm or leg. He was seen with his arm in a cast, asking women to help him put his sailboat on his car. In one instance he put a cast on his arm and carried a stack of books which he dropped in front of a girl. She helped pick them up and followed him to his car with them. After he was convicted he blamed exposure to pornography for what he had done. Poor Ted.

You could also think about the men who abuse their wife and then apologize profusely, swearing they will never do it again and begging forgiveness. They just don't know what came over them. Next week they don't know what came over them again. In some cases they try to get the sympathy of their children. Poor Daddy.

Yes, it is manipulation. As long as they can get sympathy they can continue to abuse. Good people want to see the good in others.



AD

beana 10-18-2012 04:37 AM

Dark souls have a big weakness. Their feminine sides are undeveloped. True power comes from the feminine. They aren't open to possibility which exists at the quantum level.

Darkness is attracted to the light. From what I have read the light initiates say it is good to have an opponent in order to grow. That is the last thing I want is an enemy. It can be very painful. I hate to be criticized and insulted. Ram Dass says his times of greatest growth were during his times of greatest suffering. Lynn Andrews went through many trials in her dealings with Red Dog. It seems like we are living in a dark age that is going through a lot of changes. Maybe this is a time of possibility and the human race will evolve to another level. I'm sure this will make the dark forces very angry.


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