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Gypsey 09-22-2002 03:37 PM

The new sexuality
Hi Sandy

I wish we'd connected at Ojo, but spirit knows what we need better than we do I guess. This time wasn't necessary, but I wanted to say how totally I agree with this post of yours which puts so articulately and clearly my own feelings on this subject. Similar stuff has been coming to me.

I also feel I've become something of a prude. Gone is the willing participant of my youth. Try anything once, twice if I liked it...yeah let's have a look at your S & M pictures, oh ok tie me up if you must...menage a trois? Why not! Hey, I'm a modern girl. Slowly the offence to the Goddess within became unignorable. Bang! Long period of celibacy while I figured out why pornography outraged me so and 15-partner-a-night 'gay' boys. It was like a disgrace to something sacred. Sacrilege.

Now I feel 'each to their own', but watching Lynn's 15 year old contemplate her first sexual excursions, it's hard not to want to warn her of how deep that energy exchange is, how damaging it can be and how transcendant it can be with a little patience. Maybe I'll find a way...

Meanwhile thank you for reassuring me that my resistance to labels of any kind is perfectly logical!

Love an Light

MysticHeart 09-22-2002 04:58 PM

Re: Love--the greatest force

As I grow in spirit I wish to eliminate labels too. I want to call them Life Perspectives, tools we choose to learn the deep lessons of the soul. I don't judge anybody by who they love or how they love. I am just happy they are touched by love, the greatest force of the universe.

Interesting about the shapeshifting. You are seeing all aspects of your being--simultaneous lives maybe through past, present and future. You are becoming whole by refusing to label or confine yourself. You are honoring your path without borders or boundaries.

Amazing. Keep us posted. I love your insights.

Love, Veronica :)

'In silence, sacred silence, we stand naked like trees in winter, all our secrets visible under our skin. And like winter's tree, we appear dead but are yet alive'--Joan Halifax

MysticHeart 09-22-2002 05:08 PM

Re: The new sexuality

Oh,honey,I love the way you write. I've been an old fashioned prude all of my life. LOL It's just the way I am. I always sensed the sacredness of relationships, that transcendent power of love you talked about. I just want to tell these teenagers too about the energy exchange, the power to change your life, the giving and taking in relationships and the balance necessary and not this shallow business I see on TV where love isn't even part of the equation. It's all about T & A and it just saddens me. I am a fool for love.

I'd like society to reach a level of awareness too where it's not taboo to be gay or anything, but mainly to honor the love we find. Ready for it to be so ho-hum about it all. But I see why I went the route I did in terms of karmic lessons. Never made any sense to me why I've been so afraid of my family's judgments. The past life stuff put it into perspective (and Craig channeled some interesting stuff which made so much sense now) and also that sense of privacy. I won't be dragging them to any parades (which bore me now but was fun in my 20's because it was such a new world of experiences--some funny, some interesing, some scary!!) But darling, you would have made a grand Master of Ceremonies. Oh, the party we could have had 15 years ago. LOLOL

Love your honesty. Love your wisdom. Love your love.

Veronica :)

'In silence, sacred silence, we stand naked like trees in winter, all our secrets visible under our skin. And like winter's tree, we appear dead but are yet alive'--Joan Halifax

MysticHeart 09-22-2002 05:14 PM

Re: Waves of Blue---Ojo Healing (leg thing)

I learn so much from writing and reading other's insights and reflections. What a journey. As I grow, layers melt and all I want to do is bask in the light of spirit. But I still enjoy being human and the filters we see life through, absorbing the details and witnessing the dance of light and shadows and learning the lessons for this incarnation. So fascinating.

Talk to you soon.

Love, Veronica :)

'In silence, sacred silence, we stand naked like trees in winter, all our secrets visible under our skin. And like winter's tree, we appear dead but are yet alive'--Joan Halifax

Gypsey 09-22-2002 05:21 PM

Re: Waves of Blue---Ojo Healing
Ha. This topic has arisen a lot at Ojo and since. You and I discussed it, Jordie and I and now Cierra helps me to clarify my own feelings a little.

Your reply to her is so intelligent that, as I felt in Ojo, I can have no argument with it. But let's throw in some more curves.

You say you were very young when you realised your orientation and have never explored sexuality with men. I can also say that when I was very young I got quite excited at the thought of sexual encounters with female teachers - this I believe, like a lot of sexual activity - is to do with wanting their power, energy indeed, and something to do with mother...why is it so many women together do this baby talk thing, I mean I love it - adorable - but men seem to loathe it. I can't honestly recall any attraction to men when I was young, fantasy wise, until I was 17 and 'wanted the power' of a drama teacher I met. He had to be the first. I was besotted. Eventually he became my first lover and over the years there followed some great sex, as well as some not so great, with assorted men. Often the attraction was to powerful older men, hence my power sucking theory and in those cases something to do with daddy. At the same time attraction to women came in equal amounts but was less often acted upon due it seeming socially inappropriate, which is an argument in favour of gay pride marches I suppose. I didn't like the label bi-sexual, but it seemed slightly better than either of the other extremes. At the end of the day sexuality is just a component of our being. We are sexual beings. And most of us have quite a bit of sexual karma to work through I guess. But are we really inclined one way or the other except for conditioning?. Watch small children. No known preferences when it comes to the awakening of that kundalini.

Yet the liklihood of my ever having a relationship with a man again is so completely remote not just because I'm in a relationship that is nigh perfect, but because of the absence of balance, the goddess energy, in the great majority of straight men. No respect. No nookie. Not because I'm genetically homosexual but because it's a rare man that appreciates, thus deserves, the gifts of the goddess. We all know it and we're all as angry as hell about it. I can see why it would be empowering to say "they'll never have me, not in their wildest dreams". They don't deserve us, they had their chance and blew it! Oh dear, what has happened. We gotta find forgiveness else parthenogenesis is the only hope for the future!.

Relationship with women is most definitely easier, but I sometimes wonder if it's a cop out. Given that same sex sexuality can contain a balance of forces in both partners, the polarity thing with male/female is a powerful force all it's own, not to be ignored and not to be entered into lightly. Ah Sexuality. One of the great mysteries of life on this plane. We're probably all heading towards total celibacy, then we can leave this planet!

Enough rambling from me.

I don't know why I'm doing SO MUCH posting when Mercury is retrograde. I should probably shut up.

Kiss, kiss

MysticHeart 09-22-2002 05:46 PM

Re:Various shades of the rainbow

Love you just the way you are and how you think and love. I don't feel it's conditioning for me. Something I might have chosen in the spirit world (I'll email you later about those past lives and you'll understand deeper). There are various shades of the rainbow on Earth--brilliant expressions of colors and perspectives. I am a gay, like I said but not because I did not explore something I didn't like--just no attractions there. Zilch, Nada, nothing. Like I said, I can see beautiful men like Brad Pitt, Kurt Russell, Tom Cruise and think how handsome but not butterflies in my stomach. Then I see Penelope and a few other goddesses like Susan Sarandon and just melt.

But like you said, it's a minor aspect of our being, not the totality of it. But it makes for interesting views and expressions, doesn't it. Laughing at the celibacy comment.

I'll write more later. Love honest discussions like this. But am sidetracked with the Emmy's.

Love you, love you, love you!!!! Veronica :) (with her big G is for genetically gay t-shirt--LOL--just teasing)

'In silence, sacred silence, we stand naked like trees in winter, all our secrets visible under our skin. And like winter's tree, we appear dead but are yet alive'--Joan Halifax

debabbott 09-25-2002 10:02 AM

Re: The new sexuality
I have one big label for us all and that is "LOVE IS", Love is without boundaries or borders or labels other than it's own. How wonderful it is to know "love is". Thank you all for your wonderful posts and for sharing the healings that have occurred since Ojo. I am so blessed to have you all in my life.
Life is Good!
Belief Becomes!

cierra45 09-26-2002 12:58 AM

Re: Waves of Blue---Ojo Healing
Hi Maya,

Hey girl, I misplaced your phone number can you email it to me on private email...cierra45@yahoo.com. I talked with Deb and she said it sounds great. Many Hugs to you.
Love and Light,


cierra45 09-26-2002 01:01 AM

Re: The new sexuality
Hi Helen,

At Ojo I only met you briefly and wish I would have had more time to sit down with you and talk. I would have loved to be around such a wonderful sense of humor. Thank you for the light, the laughter, and the wisdom.
Love and Light,


Margot 09-26-2002 05:51 AM

Re: The new sexuality

So great to see your posts! I just wanted to let you know how much I enjoyed meeting both you and Lynn at Ojo. When I first caught a glimpse of you two on your back porch, I was instantly transfixed! You both have such incredible energy, and two personalities that compliment eachother perfectly. And Helen, you really exemplified to me the importance of humor when pursuing the truth. You added so much engery and light to the weekend, and I was very sincere when telling you that those two days would not have been the same without you.

Lynn is wisdom and poise personified and I will always cherish our conversation Sunday morning, as we discussed the struggles of motherhood and balancing our own needs with our family's needs. I was able to shed some long pent up tears, and found such comfort in knowing that Lynn and I walk similiar paths. Please tell her that I have come home with a new "lease" on life because of our conversation and am determined to bless the reality I have created, no matter how hectic it gets.

Ojo has provided us all with with new insights and those all important "shifts." I miss you all....

Lynn and Helen! Thank you again for all that you added to the weekend. I'm glad you returned home safely, and I so look forward to seeing you again someday.


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